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Re: (Shorter) music games in the hut

odolany 26 Nov 2019 21:06
in discussion Music games / Playing » (Shorter) music games in the hut

2019-11-24
Some meetings went unnoted, but at the last one we tried two things for a first time:

Cornelius Cardew's Schooltime Special (1968) - you can check it out here: http://a4-room.com/schooltime-special/
The instruction is easy to follow, good entry to experimental classics. But imo, casually this would work better for large ensemble, 10+, and with people much into the historical aspect of music games.

Also we tried new cards that have a push-your-luck music-themed matching component and arrows that generate the direction of improvised melody. This was played to a minimalistic context and the musical result was starting to be interesting. But it had many flaws: components too small and hard to handle, flow of the game was bad, push-your-luck unbalanced and the setup required too much table space. I hope next version will be fine to describe here though.

Development focus VII - clarification

odolany 07 Nov 2019 22:15
in discussion Games for Music Wiki / Suggestions » Development focus VII - clarification

Two new things added:
- mechanism for explaining tags (not yet fully used - a lot of tags remain to be described)
- a button to mark content as requiring clarification (adds a tag) - it's in bottom right for game, activity, glossary and wiki category

in the meantime we had a first vandalism of a front page ;) no problem though

Board Game Geek

odolany 20 Oct 2019 20:01
in discussion Inspirations / Games » Board Game Geek

I asked board games fans on BGG about their views on music games.

I linked Wikipedia, but there was some doubt about what a music game/game piece is and some suggestions as for games that might be of interest for music gamers.

There was a poll of which I include the results (from 44 voters):

Have you heard about game pieces/music games?
Yes.	6.8%	3
Maybe, not sure.	6.8%	3
No.	86.4%	38
Have you played game pieces/music games?
Yes.	4.7%	2
No.	95.3%	41
Are you interested in the topic?
Yes, I'd like to play it.	18.2%	8
Yes, on a conceptual level.	20.5%	9
Yes, for other reasons.	0.0%	0
Maybe, not sure.	25.0%	11
No, I don't care for music.	6.8%	3
No, there are so many regular games.	13.6%	6
No, for other reasons.	15.9%	7

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Re: Introduce yourself in this thread.

odolany 28 Sep 2019 21:05
in discussion Games for Music Wiki / Introduce Yourself! » Introduce yourself in this thread.

Hello Laarni!

As I said in the first version of this post ;), that's an interesting idea for a site functionality. There sometimes are sound examples in the library, but there was no easy way to have it all together in one place, so I added: Listening and YouTube to gather different media under one pages.

I'm afraid though that most of available recordings is not of great quality.

Re: Introduce yourself in this thread.

Laarni Barcena 04 Sep 2019 15:32
in discussion Games for Music Wiki / Introduce Yourself! » Introduce yourself in this thread.

Hi! I'm Laarni.
I hope to learn more music games and activities. I'd love to hear it.

Re: New stuff to read

odolany 30 Aug 2019 14:26
in discussion Inspirations / Other inspiration » New stuff to read

The last issue of Synzine has games quite in spirit of the wiki (accessible, fun-oriented, elegant).

https://www.pninax.com/uploads/1/0/4/7/10476159/synzine_augustl19_single.pdf

Personally I'll try each of them at our meetings.

Development Focus VI (mobile)

odolany 04 Aug 2019 00:04
in discussion Games for Music Wiki / Suggestions » Development Focus VI (mobile)

the page should now work much better on small screens. if you have any suggestions regarding that please write here.

Re: Imagined Seconds - discussion

jennie_g 15 Jul 2019 13:16
in discussion Music games / Designing » Imagined Seconds - discussion

Oh this is great! It's a much better flow of time, as I imagine it, with fewer explanations and switches between activities. I think the nature of the descriptions may depend on the individual players and group dynamic. I would be interested to see how it worked over several rounds as people get more used to the game and to each other's habits (tallying points after each round). Would strategies develop over in the second and third rounds? Is that too long to expect people to play?

New stuff to read

odolany 11 Jul 2019 20:15
in discussion Inspirations / Other inspiration » New stuff to read

The first issue of a new journal "Improvised Music - Open Scores" is out:
http://im-os.net

See what's in:
Open Scores – what is this ? (Carl Bergstrøm-Nielsen)
Amusement Arcade (Jacob Thompson-Bell)
Changeable Spring (Johan Toft)
Athena, Aristotle, Helen (Michael Pisaro)

The plan described in release info is to include both articles and open pieces.

Re: Imagined Seconds - discussion

odolany 07 Jul 2019 16:53
in discussion Music games / Designing » Imagined Seconds - discussion

Here is a version that we took for the last test at our music game meetings + tweak from the discussion. This is simple and quite streamlined, but (still) lack one key thing…

There are 'global phases', first for description/imagination and the second for execution/comparison.
Everyone has a sheet with a table for noting estimated time and one sheet is at the table for real time.
One by one from the starting player people describe their ideas for others who estimate and note down their bets (hidden betting although engaging in a misleading banter is a good fit here ;) ).
Put your sheets down still hidden.
Then music starts and it runs in form of "movements" of number equal to the number of players. Time-tracking is done by the last player for the first movement, and by the first player for all the next movements. The real times are written on a public sheet.
Pick up your sheets, compare seconds, announce a winner.

Still lacking is how to describe a description. What actually the game expects and demands from players at this stage is for me now a key matter.

Re: (Shorter) music games in the hut

odolany 01 Jul 2019 23:05
in discussion Music games / Playing » (Shorter) music games in the hut

2019-06-30
Last meeting before the summer holiday break was quite fine. Lots of thoughtful discussion about played games among which some rare: Dixit for duets, Orbit II (Kalani Das's game), Imagined seconds (in it's discussion thread soon with a recording), Rules cumulation (starting with total "free", everyone gradually adds a rule and all of them apply - this idea needs help), Noodle game (awaiting a good end condition now), Into the Labirynth for two competing teams of "adventurers".

Scratch Orchestra Note

odolany 20 Jun 2019 11:32
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » CMH-CR135

We "desparately" need an article on Scratch Orchestra/Cornelius Cardew in the context of music games. ;)

Also with "modern" standards of our library this game would not be considered 'well-defined'. Moving games between categories might cause some trouble for users though :L.

Re: (Shorter) music games in the hut

odolany 27 May 2019 11:51
in discussion Music games / Playing » (Shorter) music games in the hut

2019-04-28 2019-05-26
Two meetings were poorly attended.
Recordings of games from the hut that are available (usually those that are fully played through without too much laughing ;) ) are now all up: https://soundcloud.com/odolany/sets

Re: Noodle game

odolany 29 Apr 2019 06:50
in discussion Music games / Designing » Noodle game

I think after yesterday's tests in the Hut, even if we didn't develop the ending, the game deserves to be included in the library as beta.
Would you add it, Dr?

One another idea for the personal dice: 2↑, 2↓, 3↑, 3↓, 4, 6 ?
for triton and even for major third direction matters less anyway.

directions for semitone would be interesting too.

Let's record some takes next time.

Development focus V - tooltips

odolany 14 Apr 2019 07:54
in discussion Games for Music Wiki / Suggestions » Development focus V - tooltips

wikidot doesn't allow scripting. but I found a way around (it works for all paragraph not a single term - so shoudn't be many terms at once).
it takes the current explanation from the glossary

http://musicgames.wikidot.com/glossary:first-rule-of-music-games

Re: (Shorter) music games in the hut

odolany 31 Mar 2019 17:52
in discussion Music games / Playing » (Shorter) music games in the hut

2019-03-10

This time I'll not get into detail, but the meeting was quite difficult for me as there were so many different approaches to what games are and what music is… ;)
But from march meetings I'll add recordings https://soundcloud.com/odolany/sets/march-meetings
notrightmusic's Room Score was played with added mechanics: starting point was established and one person didn't watch the Conductor and was to guess on what place in the room the piece was ended.

Re: Imagined Seconds - discussion

jennie_g 24 Mar 2019 22:18
in discussion Music games / Designing » Imagined Seconds - discussion

For the Q&A, I was thinking that no one would be able to ask more than one question. I wouldn't want it to become an extensive dialogue. But I have some doubts about it now, for the reasons you mentioned and also for another reason.

Thinking about it from another level of distance now, what I'm mainly hoping the game does is this:
description
imagination
execution
comparison

I want it to be simple enough that it moves very simply from one to the next. I could imagine stealing some of the mechanics of betting, for example on horse races. (I would need to research these.) Or it could simply be that each person fills in their own chart and any discussion would happen after the actions have been executed. If it were done after a break (allowing for preparation) and each person was responsible for his or her own numbers, there would be minimal down time. Based on whatever happens in the first round, the players could make additional constraints or rules for a second round.

Thanks for thinking it through with me!

odolany 14 Mar 2019 20:06
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Music Replay (online)

As getting design feedback is an important part of this website, I'll throw that in of my first impressions from playing:
1) Consider adding keyboard input. Maybe sth like an octave of:

 w e - t y u
A S D F G H J

2) Take responsibility for your scoring system ;)

If you want to reach a good score …

Do you reeaally want to force people who are bored with lower levels to sit through them to get high score?
Adjust the scoring for maximum fun and minimum "additional necessary hints" as the one above ;).

3*) As there is so much freedom for the player, this game is the closest to the main focus of our wiki. So I'll add that too: maybe it would be fun to make it a bit more creatively involving? You deal with sounds sequence, if players were adding notes to the sequence one by one the game would be… semi-compositional ;)

welcome to Games for Music!

odolany 14 Mar 2019 18:52
in discussion Hidden / Per page discussions » Music Jigsaw Puzzles (online)

Thanks for adding your creations to the wiki.
Afraid though that the jigsaw puzzle here is actually outside of scope of the library as it can't be used to perform music.
I'll prepare for it a place in some other area of the page.

Re: Imagined Seconds - discussion

odolany 11 Mar 2019 09:09
in discussion Music games / Designing » Imagined Seconds - discussion

Would it be helpful to list some possible (non-musical) actions as prompts?

Helpful although dangerously suggestive. Maybe more elaboration for "how to describe your sound" could do. In our test most common form was similar to a 'long title'. Your "rolling or dropping" example is informative just at this level - as you would describe the action more than sound itself.

It would also be good that the performer not know the guesses in advance.

Huh, we were taking care of that (guess it seemed obvious/natural gaming-wise), but at the same time it might be what extends the downtime.

Another option would be that each player has a pin or a tag or a marker of a different color…

For game it might be better, but as for the contents and connotations this is some kind of a revolt ;). Numerology, reducing sounds to digits, this is strong in the game now, but surely it might be also about space, why not…

one of several different activities…

As for the context, I remember thinking that this is one of 'after-the-break' games. This is quite a common type, where players need to invent or plan something out, so it's best to hint them their task before the break, so they are prepared at the start of the game itself. We didn't do it like that, so there was some waiting with just that.

I think having a Q&A section before the sound might make the guesses less random or luck based.

This might be interesting. Do you have a procedure in mind? There are risks of slowing the flow down and it's hard to quickly introduce some dynamics here, like ways to get informational advantage over other players, trade-offs with the risk of helping others more than yourself etc.

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